I was wondering if anybody could explain, or steer me in the right direction. What is the deep difference between cabaret and tribal. My basic understanding is this: Triabal dancing uses a set of cues to allow the dancers to be in synch while doing improve; while cabaret tends to be mostly choreographed. I understand this is a simplified understanding.
Recently in my class I learned that cabaret tends to dance more with the torso while tribal tends to dance with the limbs. Again, this is overly simplified. Can anyone help me understand?
Recently in my class I learned that cabaret tends to dance more with the torso while tribal tends to dance with the limbs. Again, this is overly simplified. Can anyone help me understand?
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Re: Tribal Cabaret
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:00 PMYou have the basic idea down...
Tribal was started here in teh US - American Tribal Style. It is a group improv with signals. The moves are clean and simple (very technical still but simple so that following can be done). Tribal dancers do use their hips and torso too - I think people think the limbs do more because of the basic formation and arm movement....kind of shows up. You know -- that we have lots of lovely tribal dancers here in colorado to see this example. The energy is a very earthy feeling...grounded and big clean movements.
Cabaret - well there are many styles so just speaking at the high level or general idea of cabaret. The main difference is that cabaret dancers do often solo and have the showgirl on toe energy. The energy is more of a showy -- glitsy -- often cutsy look and at times slow and slinky too but still very showgirl (I mean showgirl in the energetic sense not stripping or vegas -- just an energy that is very much so 'look at me'). Cabaret dancers change up the movements often - because they are soloing so not having to worry about people following. There is the general idea that cabaret is choreographed always but there are many many cabaret dancers who improv solos (like me!)...rather than choregraphy (since I always mess that up - hahaha). As a group dance --cabaret is often choreographed because there are not hand signals like tribal but many get use to each other from being together and do a lot of following too. Cabaret dancers often appear to love to dance fast but often that is just due to the venue....restaurant crowds like more upbeat songs often with one or two slow pieces just to mix it up.
The moves in the two styles are the same -- a hip circle is a hip circle. There are different accents used in the two styles but to be honest various cabaret styles have different accents. I am trained in egyptian and turkish cabaret....many moves are the same in general but accent different points. The costuming is very different between the two -- ATS is the more covered with turbans originally and cabaret is your showy glitsy beaded deals in general. I do not feel that your basic belly dance class will be that different when looking at the general basic belly dance moves.....later when you add the energy or signals or formations then it gets different. Different teacher may have different styles (I have learned from many)....my style of teaching pulls from all including cabaret and tribal. My beginning moves are still the same in general....it is more my dances and some specialized moves in my intermediate class where the mixing or various styles show up such as turkish cabaret, egyptian cabaret, egyptian folkloric, tribal fusion, etc etc.....
Now that we have separated all of it...hahaha...I will throw all that out of the window. Many of todays cabaret and tribal dancers do a fusion dance...so it is soooo hard to separate. Tribal dancers now choreograph at times and cabaret dancers who have been together for a while may make up some symboling. The energy of the two dances have also crossed over....I am very much a cabaret dancer with lots of tribal training (some ATS but more fusion style) and my performance depends on the music, my mood, and venue. So the two styles have crossed over and we have a lovely mix of the two now. I get clarification when someone tells me they do a style -- if they say cabaret then I ask what style or if it is more traditional and with tribal I ask if it is ATS or fusion. And if you ask me ... I will say ... it depends on my mood and feelign that day...hahaha.
Skott - I hope this helps. Your basics are just that...your basics. Both styles drill hard and have wonderful presence on stage! -
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Re: Tribal Cabaret
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 5:47 PMPhoenix did a pretty good job of describing! Woo!
It's an important little tidbit to know that what's termed as "cabaret"style belly dancing is actually more historically accurrate and an older form than what's known today as American Tribal style/Tribal Style/Fusion, whatever. Don't let the costumes fool you!
For me, the biggest difference isn't even necessarily in the presentation and execution of the moves (since tribal and cabaret have almost if not all the same moves) but in the costuming. In cabaret, everything is very matching, glittery, sparkley, and beaded, and is usually in a very bright color. Tribal tends to be more about texture, thicker/coarser and heavier fabrics, and often are more muted or darker colors. Lots of clashing metals, colors that don't match, and lots of craziness, which is why it's so fun for me! :D
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:09 PMThanks Phoenix and Amy. I really apreciate your insights. I am having fun learning but I must confess to being very awkward. I feel like my body does not want to cooperate with anything. I feel like an utter spaz. I also have this stiff as a board problem. Just learning to loosen up is going to take me some time.
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Re: Tribal Cabaret
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:10 PMHmmm--I feel an extreme difference in the execution, expression and inner energies of the tribal versus cabaret dancing and wouldn't say they are that close really, except in some of the basic moves. The arms, footwork and energetic expression, even the amount of tension used throughout the body to execute the various moves if very very different. Just my two sense after dancing this dance for over 25 years. -
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:15 PMRafi'ah, do you find that male dancers tend toward one or the other styles? -
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Re: Tribal Cabaret
Sat, May 17, 2008 - 7:09 AMSkott...
I think there are many men in both styles.....Jim Boz as one that has actually studied both (ATS and Egyptian Cabaret). I would suggest writing him with any concerns or suggestions. He is a great teacher and person too! He began in tribal then moved to cabaret...I know you saw him last year....he is a fun performer for sure! Just a thought....if you want the male perspective from someone who has studied both for many years....
I think initially...just learning the basics and finding a teacher you are comfortable with is key for both male and female.
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 7:06 AMI do agree Rafi'ah...after years of studying both styles...that is what I see and meant by the energy. Tribal does have a more intense tension in the movement. Cabaret has more of floaty...almost giddy feeling. My style of dancing changed when I began to study the tribal after years of cabaret....now I like to keep it equal and study both ... use them where appropriate.
OOOOPPPSS I mean Countess...hahaha....
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 12:23 PMDon't know about Cabaret and the giddy feeling...:-). Haven;'t really experienced that part, maybe joyful, uplifting, floaty, quite a bit softer than tribal but extremely sensual, for myself. It just feels wonderful if you allow it to. I don't really feel the sensuality that much in the Tribal (not at all menat to be a criticism....unless it is Rachel Brice, the epitome of sensuality and even somewhat erotic....according to some men. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:00 AMfunny you say that bc I have seen you giddy....
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:18 PMOK...maybe it is semantics...giddy is a funny word....kind of like over the top giggly, almost overly girly. ...maybe you mean kind of ecstatic, almost high in a way...not sure. Just can't think of describing myself as "giddy"....sounds like a high school girl
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